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he covers the vatican for the network and for the "national catholic reporter." we thank you all three for being with us. john allen, i'm going to stay with you. how much of a surprise was this? >> judy, i think this was a near total shock. just to tell you how crazy it was, i was actually scheduled to have lunch with a senior vatican official, a guy who works just down the hall from the papal apartment. as of early this morning even he didn't know it was coming. as your set-up piece indicated the shock isn't the content of the decision -- benedict had hinted fairly openly that he was receptive to the idea of a pope resigning, that actually under some circumstances a pope would have an obligation to resign if he's not able to continue to perform his duties. but certainly the timing of it, i think, fell out of a clear blew sky just like the rain we're experiencing in rome here tonight. >> woodruff: monsignor hilgartner, what about the timing of this? what does it say that he made this decision especially in contrast to what his predecessor pope john paul had been
he covers the vatican for the network and for the "national catholic reporter." we thank you all three for being with us. john allen, i'm going to stay with you. how much of a surprise was this? >> judy, i think this was a near total shock. just to tell you how crazy it was, i was actually scheduled to have lunch with a senior vatican official, a guy who works just down the hall from the papal apartment. as of early this morning even he didn't know it was coming. as your set-up...
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today, stunning news from the vatican. i wonder if god was surprised to learn pope benedict is stepping down. >>> i'm s.e. cupp. millions of americans captivated by the search of a successor. the picking a new pontiff. >>> i'm steve kornacki. president obama has tossed out the old olive branch. coming up, a man who himself helped write four state of the union addresses explains who us how it takes shape. >>> i'm krysa tal. should the president go big by thinking small? it's monday and you're in "the cycle."
today, stunning news from the vatican. i wonder if god was surprised to learn pope benedict is stepping down. >>> i'm s.e. cupp. millions of americans captivated by the search of a successor. the picking a new pontiff. >>> i'm steve kornacki. president obama has tossed out the old olive branch. coming up, a man who himself helped write four state of the union addresses explains who us how it takes shape. >>> i'm krysa tal. should the president go big by thinking...
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the pope will eventually move into a monastery for cloistered nuns in the vatican. officials say he will dedicate his time to prayer and reflection. brian? >> richard engel, thanks. >>> for a lot of american catholics, this pope was a man whose name they heard once a week at mass. a relative enigma compared to john paul ii, of course. an old fashioned man in modern times. and now the question for catholics and their church becomes what next. nbc's anne thompson is here with us, with part of that story. anne, good evening. >> good evening, brian. we're in such uncharted territory, that the vatican doesn't even know how pope benedict will be addressed after february 28th. when a pope dies, the conclave to elect his successor begins 15 days after his death. but now when it will start is just one of many mysteries in the wake of today's startling news. ♪ the cardinals, the men who will elect benedict's successor, were as surprised as the people in the pews. new york's cardinal timothy dolan on the "today" show. >> i'm as startled as the rest of you and anxious to find
the pope will eventually move into a monastery for cloistered nuns in the vatican. officials say he will dedicate his time to prayer and reflection. brian? >> richard engel, thanks. >>> for a lot of american catholics, this pope was a man whose name they heard once a week at mass. a relative enigma compared to john paul ii, of course. an old fashioned man in modern times. and now the question for catholics and their church becomes what next. nbc's anne thompson is here with us,...
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also following today's stunning news from the vatican. the pope making the extraordinary announcement becoming the first pope to make the move of abdication in 719 years. the pope made the surprise announcement in lat on the a meeting of cardinals this morning. prior to that, not even his spokesperson knew it was coming. the 85-year-old pontiff said the strength is not adequate to carrying out the duties and stepping down. the college of cardinals will meet immediately. the vatican says they hope the new pope will be in place by the beginning of holy week march 24th. just the past couple of hours, the white house issued a statement of the president saying we extend appreciation and prayers to his holiness. we warmly remember our meeting with the holy father in 2009 and i have appreciated our work together over these past last four years. nbc news rome bureau chief joins us live now. can't stress enough how it was such a surprise. i turned on the television to hear this news but what was the reaction there at the heart, the center of all o
also following today's stunning news from the vatican. the pope making the extraordinary announcement becoming the first pope to make the move of abdication in 719 years. the pope made the surprise announcement in lat on the a meeting of cardinals this morning. prior to that, not even his spokesperson knew it was coming. the 85-year-old pontiff said the strength is not adequate to carrying out the duties and stepping down. the college of cardinals will meet immediately. the vatican says they...
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after he resigns, the vatican says benedict will live in a monastery in vatican city. meanwhile, the process to elect his successor is already underway. we have this report from vatican city. >> reporter: pope benedict xvi is about to make history. the 85-year-old leader of the catholic church is resigning at the end of the month. he's the first pope to do so in 600 years. the pope's announcement came as a surprise to all but his closest confidantes. he said because of his age and deteriorating health, "i have had to recognize my incapacity to fulfill the ministry entrusted to me." church leaders were shocked and saddened. >> like watching your own dad get old. and admit that he's not up to all the duties of being the head of a family involves. >> reporter: benedict xvi will remain pope until 8:00 p.m. on february 28. shortly after that, the college of cardinals will gather in the sistine chapel to elect the new pope. benedict's successor will face many of the same controversies he faced including the sexual abuse of church members by priests. benedict apologized to vi
after he resigns, the vatican says benedict will live in a monastery in vatican city. meanwhile, the process to elect his successor is already underway. we have this report from vatican city. >> reporter: pope benedict xvi is about to make history. the 85-year-old leader of the catholic church is resigning at the end of the month. he's the first pope to do so in 600 years. the pope's announcement came as a surprise to all but his closest confidantes. he said because of his age and...
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the stunning news from the vatican, pope benedict announces he is resigning. the first to step aside in more than 700 years. as 1 billion catholics are left wondering why, what it means for the church, and who might replace him. >>> the fugitive. the ex cop terrorizing southern california. police officers are being protected around the clock. a reward up to $1 million. >>> the big digs, people snowed under and waiting for help. plus a direct hit from a tornado in the south. >>> and a genuine american hero. the incredible story how he saved so many lives, fighting back tears today as he received this nation's highest award for military valor. "nightly news" begins now. >>> from nbc news world headquarters in new york, this is "nbc nightly news" with brian williams. >>> good evening. it came out of nowhere. and it stunned the over 1 billion catholics around the world when the pope announced early this morning, our time, he is stepping down, abdicating. this hasn't happened in seven centuries. pope benedict has served during a troubling time for the catholic chur
the stunning news from the vatican, pope benedict announces he is resigning. the first to step aside in more than 700 years. as 1 billion catholics are left wondering why, what it means for the church, and who might replace him. >>> the fugitive. the ex cop terrorizing southern california. police officers are being protected around the clock. a reward up to $1 million. >>> the big digs, people snowed under and waiting for help. plus a direct hit from a tornado in the south....
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the vatican holds some of europe's most important art work. in 2011, it took in $308 million in revenue. those are the latest numbers we have. it spent more than that. it spent $326 million. the holy see gets a big chunk of its revenues from the museums that take in about 5 million visitors a year. now, the pope's office also takes in contributions to fund charitable projects that the pope designates. in 2011, the pope received $66 million in those types of contributions. but the big money is how much the faithful contribute. and to figure that out is anybody's guess. >> i think it is fair to assume that the catholic church as a business is probably the richest business in the world because of land holdings, because of the art. what price do you put on the sistine chapel? >> good question, brooke. what price do you put on the sistine chapel and how much money comes into the church? it is very typical, brooke, to not know that about religious organizations. for all those conspiracy theorists out there who think it is a peculiarity of the cathol
the vatican holds some of europe's most important art work. in 2011, it took in $308 million in revenue. those are the latest numbers we have. it spent more than that. it spent $326 million. the holy see gets a big chunk of its revenues from the museums that take in about 5 million visitors a year. now, the pope's office also takes in contributions to fund charitable projects that the pope designates. in 2011, the pope received $66 million in those types of contributions. but the big money is...
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and a vatican bombshell raising an enormous number of questions today. pope benedict today becomes the first pontiff in 600 years to announce retirement. ahead, what is behind this move? what does it mean for the church and what about the near constant speculation that the time may be near for the first american pope? and he may be one of the greatest heroes of our time and we're finally hearing his side of the story. we will bring you the first interview with the man who fired the shot that killed usama bin laden. >> tonight, i can report to the american people and to the world the united states has conducted an operation that killed usama bin laden the leader of al-qaeda, a terrorist responsible for the murder of thousands of men, women and children. puts all the things we love about sunday meals into each of her pot pies. like tender white meat chicken and vegetables in a golden flaky crust that's made from scratch. marie callender's pot pies. it's time to savor. >> we're back now to the developing manhunt for an ex-lapd officer turned triple murder s
and a vatican bombshell raising an enormous number of questions today. pope benedict today becomes the first pontiff in 600 years to announce retirement. ahead, what is behind this move? what does it mean for the church and what about the near constant speculation that the time may be near for the first american pope? and he may be one of the greatest heroes of our time and we're finally hearing his side of the story. we will bring you the first interview with the man who fired the shot that...
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the vatican spokesman, greg burke. greg, tell us the back story of this, when you first knew that the pope was even considering taking this momentous step. >> well, all of us knew, but none of us paid a lot of attention two years ago when the pope mentioned in a long interview -- there was a book interview "light of the world" and he mentioned that "pope could resign. he said he hadn't thought about doing it in the moment. it was a very difficult from then, but he said there are occasions when the pope can resign. there are occasions when the pope should resign. that was a couple of years ago, and i think that was a warning bell. i didn't find out please until early this morning. i got a call to come in early, which i did, and i was told about it, and then, of course, it just happened a couple of hours later. it is certainly a surprise because historically it's such a surprise, but knowing cardinal ratzinger, it's not such a surprise. >> greg, what are the next steps from inside the vatican as you begin this extraordin
the vatican spokesman, greg burke. greg, tell us the back story of this, when you first knew that the pope was even considering taking this momentous step. >> well, all of us knew, but none of us paid a lot of attention two years ago when the pope mentioned in a long interview -- there was a book interview "light of the world" and he mentioned that "pope could resign. he said he hadn't thought about doing it in the moment. it was a very difficult from then, but he said...
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senior vatican analyst john allen and the reverend thomas reis, author of inside the vatican. john, i want to start with you. very historic, hasn't happened in 600 years. what is the significance to the church? >> reporter: well, suzanne, the significance is enormous, the pope is considered by catholics to be the vicar of christ on earth. the successor of peter, the unquestioned leader of the 1.2 billion strong catholic community around the world. benedict has done everything he can to send signals of stability and continuity here, that is the indication that there will be a regular conclave to elect the next pope and that the next pope will enjoy his full support and so on. nevertheless, these moments of transition are jarring to catholics. you remember of course the anxiety millions of catholics around the world felt when john paul ii died in 2005. in some ways this transition creates the same sense of crossroads, the same set of question marks about the future of the church, that we experienced and lived through seven years ago. >> sure. john, being a roman catholic myself,
senior vatican analyst john allen and the reverend thomas reis, author of inside the vatican. john, i want to start with you. very historic, hasn't happened in 600 years. what is the significance to the church? >> reporter: well, suzanne, the significance is enormous, the pope is considered by catholics to be the vicar of christ on earth. the successor of peter, the unquestioned leader of the 1.2 billion strong catholic community around the world. benedict has done everything he can to...
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and yet the vatican circled the wagons around him. this time it seems like these cardinals are finding themselves under the wheels of that wagon. they don't seem very eager to have owe bien here. i wonder if they're so eager to have ma moany here either. i mean they're not going to say don't come. it's the right of the cardinal to come. but it brings a distraction. >> warner: briefly before we go, thursday is the pope's la day. friday this process in some fashion begins. what does happen next? >> well, what happens next is that the cardinals start meeting with one another starting on march 1. in fact today the pope kind of made an amendment to the constitution, if you will, of the vatican saying that the cardinals will establish and meet and establish the date of the conclave. on march 1 they'll start meeting decide when the conclave is. really what you're going to have even though they're not supposed to is a bunch of cardinals talking to one another figuring out what issues are important, who are the likely candidates, who they thin
and yet the vatican circled the wagons around him. this time it seems like these cardinals are finding themselves under the wheels of that wagon. they don't seem very eager to have owe bien here. i wonder if they're so eager to have ma moany here either. i mean they're not going to say don't come. it's the right of the cardinal to come. but it brings a distraction. >> warner: briefly before we go, thursday is the pope's la day. friday this process in some fashion begins. what does happen...
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the vatican hopes to have the successor in place by easter. any male catholic can be elected pope, but traditionally the cardinals choose one of their own-- a cardinal.choo we asked mark phillips who's in the running. >> reporter: for the princes ofr the church, the cardinals, the sudden resignation of the popeh can be more of a shock than the death of one and it is they who have to choose the next one. according to retired american cardinal theodore mccarrick, the am church will now be looking for a new pope with a combination of the qualities it liked in the last two. >> i think they'll be looking for someone who would have some of the wisdom of pope benedict and some of the charisma of pope john paul ii. >> reporter: in the murky world of vatican politics, no clear front-winner to replace benedict has emerged. a church which has come to see its future more and more in the developing world will have to to decide whether its next leader should be from there.eade cardinal peter turkson of ghana is a campaigner for social a reform and is often
the vatican hopes to have the successor in place by easter. any male catholic can be elected pope, but traditionally the cardinals choose one of their own-- a cardinal.choo we asked mark phillips who's in the running. >> reporter: for the princes ofr the church, the cardinals, the sudden resignation of the popeh can be more of a shock than the death of one and it is they who have to choose the next one. according to retired american cardinal theodore mccarrick, the am church will now be...
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a vatican back-stabbing in intrigue. he may have been the first pope to tweet, but as the leader, he tried to hold back the forces, refusing to expand the role of women. now, though, he is accepting the reality of the modern world. and the catholic church enters new territory. can the church cope with having an ex-pope alive while a new pope tripes to create his own legacy? >> this is the tremendous question that lies before us. there is no job description for a retired pope. >> reporter: so, benedict remains pope until the end of the month. the cardinal s have to assemble here for a conclave to elect his successor. that takes us to mid-march. that means a billion catholics around the world should have a new pope by easter. diane? >> all right, jeffrey, thank you. and, of course, that new pope will have to face the call for change, from many people in the american catholic church. there are 77.7 million catholics here in the united states. nearly 1 in 4 of us is catholic. and rhode island, new jersey and massachusetts st
a vatican back-stabbing in intrigue. he may have been the first pope to tweet, but as the leader, he tried to hold back the forces, refusing to expand the role of women. now, though, he is accepting the reality of the modern world. and the catholic church enters new territory. can the church cope with having an ex-pope alive while a new pope tripes to create his own legacy? >> this is the tremendous question that lies before us. there is no job description for a retired pope. >>...
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it's as if an earthquake has hit the vatican. the lights are still on, the buildings are still standing, but people here rocked by the surprise resignation of benedict xvi. it began as a routine vatican ceremony, but the pope's announcement in latin was anything but routine. "i have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the papal ministry." with that, for the first time in 600 years, a pope is resigning. benedict xvi was already old, 78, when he became pope. that was 2005. here he is almost eight years later, clearly frail and feeble. his older brother, father georg ratzinger, said today benedict is having trouble walking and had been advised by his doctors to stop traveling overseas. benedict will relinquish his papacy on february 28th. >> today's decision by benedict xvi came as a huge surprise to me, and, i think, to everyone in rome and everyone in the vatican. >> reporter: as a cardinal, joseph ratzinger was known as john paul ii's enforcer of religio
it's as if an earthquake has hit the vatican. the lights are still on, the buildings are still standing, but people here rocked by the surprise resignation of benedict xvi. it began as a routine vatican ceremony, but the pope's announcement in latin was anything but routine. "i have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the papal ministry." with that, for the first time in 600 years, a pope is resigning....
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there are a lot of things that people don't know about the vatican. you covered this for a long time. your thoughts about the process and what this means today for catholic church. going forward. >> a day every adjective is been atyed about. incredible, ensational, unbelievable. in term oswhat have this means for catholic church, a remarkably unsensationm sensational day. the reality is that whoever follows pope benedict xvi as successor of peter, it's not like the change of leader of political party. not a debate of change of policy in the g.o.p. or the democratic party. whoever succeeds him as the next pope will continue with the same gospel of the same jesus christ, the same teachings and matters of faith and morals. that is why to some extent this is remarkable thing, but unremarkable day for the teachings of the church will remain consistent from one pope to the next. >> bret: do you think that the church, and we heard cardinal woerl talk about this earlier, that is there is a want and a need to reach out, a need to have some kind of newness, som
there are a lot of things that people don't know about the vatican. you covered this for a long time. your thoughts about the process and what this means today for catholic church. going forward. >> a day every adjective is been atyed about. incredible, ensational, unbelievable. in term oswhat have this means for catholic church, a remarkably unsensationm sensational day. the reality is that whoever follows pope benedict xvi as successor of peter, it's not like the change of leader of...
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peter's basilica at the vatican, marking the start of lent. we have a report from james mates of "independent television news." >> reporter: it was not quite a rock star's welcome, but was not far short of it as thousands of pilgrims crowded into the audience hall at the vatican for pope benedict's first public appearance since announcing his resignation. as he tried to speak, he was drowned out by applause, finally managing to thank them and the wider catholic world for their sympathy and understanding. >> (translated): i have decide renounce the gift the lord gave me. i decided to do this after praying far long time and examining my conscience in front of god. >> reporter: all way dorr shippers have been queues for events in the vatican, culminating with this evening's mass in st. peter's basilica. ash wednesday-- the first day of lent-- is anyway one of the catholic church's holiest days. but events of the last 48 hours have given this evening particular significance. before lent is out, the vatican tell us we will have a new pope. no longe
peter's basilica at the vatican, marking the start of lent. we have a report from james mates of "independent television news." >> reporter: it was not quite a rock star's welcome, but was not far short of it as thousands of pilgrims crowded into the audience hall at the vatican for pope benedict's first public appearance since announcing his resignation. as he tried to speak, he was drowned out by applause, finally managing to thank them and the wider catholic world for their...
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there are a lot of problems within the vatican. do you suspect that could have anything to do with this? >> i think all of that and more quite frankly. he's 85 years of age. how many world leaders function at 85. >> we've had popes who was too old, too sick to almost even speak and yet went to his death reigning as pope. >> and i think this is better. from one lay american's perspective, i don't think we want to see another instance as much as we love pope john paul ii, his last closing month wills were not good. let's face it. he looked imfeebl. this pope is saying -- he's a humble man. how many world leaders would do something of this nature. >> whys that taken 600 years to company to this pragmatic realization i'm not capable, therefore, i must step down? first time in six centuries. >> quite frankly, most popes vice president li haven't lived this long. pope john paul ii was named at age 58. you may see a person chosen in his 60s. we all knew that in 2005 that phone benedict and his old age already wasn't going to be around for
there are a lot of problems within the vatican. do you suspect that could have anything to do with this? >> i think all of that and more quite frankly. he's 85 years of age. how many world leaders function at 85. >> we've had popes who was too old, too sick to almost even speak and yet went to his death reigning as pope. >> and i think this is better. from one lay american's perspective, i don't think we want to see another instance as much as we love pope john paul ii, his...
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>> nick schifrin at the vatican. thank you. >>> we'll get into who the front-runners are and what happens to a pope in retirement, coming up on "gma." >>> in other news this morning, president obama poised to lay out his second term agenda in tonight's state of the union address. the nation can expect to get an earful about immigration, gun control and the economy. abc's tahman bradley has details for us this morning from washington. hey, tahman. >> reporter: hey, rob. anticipate a speech much more elaborate than mr. obama's inaugural address. the white house says the big focus will be the economy and the middle-class. president obama's state of the union speech tonight will focus on jobs and the economy. it's expected to be different in substance and tone than the inaugural address last month. >> the economy will be central to the speech so everybody can have a fair shot. >> reporter: the president will push for additional government spending to provote manufacturing, clean energy and infrastructure. he will also ad
>> nick schifrin at the vatican. thank you. >>> we'll get into who the front-runners are and what happens to a pope in retirement, coming up on "gma." >>> in other news this morning, president obama poised to lay out his second term agenda in tonight's state of the union address. the nation can expect to get an earful about immigration, gun control and the economy. abc's tahman bradley has details for us this morning from washington. hey, tahman. >>...
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at the vatican, pope benedict the sixteenth gave an emotional farewell in his last general audience-- a day before his retirement becomes official. we have a report from james mates of "independent television news." >> reporter: a final ride on the popemobile into the crowds on st. peter's square. a last baby to kiss. there is no protocol on how to leave the office of pope because no living pope has done so for 600 years. but benedict xvi decided he was not going to go quietly. for ten days there have been rumors that he stood down not just because of ill health, but because of power struggles in the vatican. in his farewell address in front of 50,000 in the square and millions more on t.v., he confirmed all had not been well. "there were also moments that were not easy," he said. "i felt like st. peter and the apostles and the boat on the sea of galilee. the lord gave as many days of light winds when the fish were abundant but also times when the waters were stormy and the winds were against us and the lord seemed to be sleeping." sitting just feet away were the the tens of thousands
at the vatican, pope benedict the sixteenth gave an emotional farewell in his last general audience-- a day before his retirement becomes official. we have a report from james mates of "independent television news." >> reporter: a final ride on the popemobile into the crowds on st. peter's square. a last baby to kiss. there is no protocol on how to leave the office of pope because no living pope has done so for 600 years. but benedict xvi decided he was not going to go quietly....
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but he is still allowed to celebrate the sacraments and to continue with other duties for the vatican. and last friday, he posted a defiant response to archbishop gomez on his personal blog. it read in part: in the meantime, some abuse victims say some files still have not been released, but the archdiocese says it will comply fully by the court-ordered deadline, february 22. we take a close look at the documents and what they reveal about the church's handling of abuse claims with ray boucher, the lead attorney representing victims in the cases that lead to the files release. we asked the archdiocese of los angeles to join our conversation but they were not available. mr. boucher, now five and a half years or so since the settlement the documents are finally out. did they provide any missing pieces of the putz? did they tell you things you didn't already know? >> well, they certainly tell us in greater detail the horrific story of abuse and coverup that we long suspected and expected. they confirmed it but confirmed it in a depth that i don't think anybody could have ever understood
but he is still allowed to celebrate the sacraments and to continue with other duties for the vatican. and last friday, he posted a defiant response to archbishop gomez on his personal blog. it read in part: in the meantime, some abuse victims say some files still have not been released, but the archdiocese says it will comply fully by the court-ordered deadline, february 22. we take a close look at the documents and what they reveal about the church's handling of abuse claims with ray boucher,...
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following developments live from vatican city. what have be learned in the news conference? >> reporter: good morning, john. in fact, father frederico lombardi is holding the news conference, and providing a few details. not a whole lot new. a few bits of information that are helping us to figure out what is going to happen here in the next few days. one of the things he said is that as you mentioned that there was no specific illness involved in the pope's decision to resign. he did say that the pope had had his pacemaker battery replaced recently. a normal operation, no problems. some of the italian press speculating that perhaps there was a problem with that operation. and another thing that they talked about was the idea that the pope's last general audience will be wednesday, the 27th of february and that will be the last big public audience before he resigned on the 28th, and i -- i'm willing to bet -- this is just speculation on my part, that most of the college of cardinals will want to be here for that. a chance to have a sendoff for the pope, a very public sendoff
following developments live from vatican city. what have be learned in the news conference? >> reporter: good morning, john. in fact, father frederico lombardi is holding the news conference, and providing a few details. not a whole lot new. a few bits of information that are helping us to figure out what is going to happen here in the next few days. one of the things he said is that as you mentioned that there was no specific illness involved in the pope's decision to resign. he did say...